What do you think about the US staying in Iraq ?
hundrends of american soliders have died there, and counting ..

Is there a proper solution for the situation there?

well i think our job there is done and we should pull out.

I think there are some intrests that are not widely know that affect US staying there

perhaps there is some hidden reasons, any theories?

dont know.. but the most obvious ones are money and oil

I think the US should leave Iraq NOW. The US should have never illegally invaded that country.

While its regretable that 2,000 US soldiers have died, greater emphasis should be placed in the 30,000 innocent iraqi civilians killed in this illegal immoral war.
Most of the civilians killed have been children and women.

raincoast wrote:

I think the US should leave Iraq NOW. The US should have never illegally invaded that country.

While its regretable that 2,000 US soldiers have died, greater emphasis should be placed in the 30,000 innocent iraqi civilians killed in this illegal immoral war.
Most of the civilians killed have been children and women.

Just curious.... where are you from?


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What does it matter where I am from?

Invasion of Iraq was illegal under the UN charter. The US administration lied to the UN about WMD, and lied to the american people about connections between Iraq and Al-Queda (9/11).

Not compliance with the Geneva conventions in the case of protection of civilians in time of war (Article 56) and tratment prisoners of war (torture in Abu Grahib) is illegal and immoral.
Wholesale slaughter of civilians in cities like Fallujah is also illegal and immoral. There are credible reports of US forces using napalm type bombs in Fallujah. What would you call this act?
Using uranium depleted shells in populated areas is immoral. Is this not equivalent to using chemical weapons on a civilian population?
Destroying the country's infrastructure (water, sewer, and electricity) is illegal under the Geneva Conventions.

What do you call these and many other actions by the US coallition?


BTW. My immediate family is from Mexico, US and Canada. I have cousins that are enlisted with the marines.

Curious that you will not say where you are from..... it does raise questions to the validity of your arguments. But then again, even if you were from the US, there are some serious flaws in your arguments anyway. It is also very interesting that you choose a game forum to spout off your opinion on US politics. But whatever floats your boat......


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"You must never so much as think whether you like it or not, whether it is bearable or not; you must never think of anything except the need, and how to meet it." Clara Barton

I'm posting my views on Iraq in response to "concerned" who started this forum.

I'm very interested in finding out why where I'm from raises "questions to the validity" of my arguments.
Please tell me why there are "serious flaws" in my arguments. I do have a strong opinion, but I'm not unwilling to change my views if someone can convince me

I agree with Raincoat and I was born in this country!

I personally dont agree with us being there this time, the brutal treatment of pows in Iraq and they are pows we declared war, but bush doesn't seem to realize that he delcared war. Hey raincoast I can understand you not wanting to say where you are from, but bush can already track this so what does it matter. With all of our views being simular you all should read Jimmy Carter's new book Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis it talks in detail about this topic and other problems with the US (yes I was born there) forcing our views around ther world.


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p38fireball wrote:

I personally dont agree with us being there this time, the brutal treatment of pows in Iraq and they are pows we declared war, but bush doesn't seem to realize that he delcared war. Hey raincoast I can understand you not wanting to say where you are from, but bush can already track this so what does it matter. With all of our views being simular you all should read Jimmy Carter's new book Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis it talks indetail about this topic and other problems with the US (yes I was born there) forcing our views around ther world.

I'm trying to understand which brutal treatment of pows you are referring to? Are you talking about having dogs barking at prisoners, making them pile on top of each other naked while a woman watch, or making them think they are going to get electricuted but there's really no electric current? Or are you talking about how they cut off the heads of prisoners while still alive, but not before doing real physical harm to them? Or are you talking about quartering the bodies after they kill them and rigging the dead remains with bombs in order to kill those that would pick up the remains to give them a proper burial?

Exactly which brutal treatment are you referring to? The muslims in gitmo are given islamic approved food, allowed to pray, and, yes, when they're made to pile on top of each other naked, the people of the United States are the ones leading the outcry to address this wrong. How well do you think the prisoners at the hands of the muslim terrorists are treated? Do you think they're fed well? Is there any outcry from Muslims against the beheading of the prisoners???

raincoast wrote:

What does it matter where I am from?

Invasion of Iraq was illegal under the UN charter. The US administration lied to the UN about WMD, and lied to the american people about connections between Iraq and Al-Queda (9/11).

Not compliance with the Geneva conventions in the case of protection of civilians in time of war (Article 56) and tratment prisoners of war (torture in Abu Grahib) is illegal and immoral.
Wholesale slaughter of civilians in cities like Fallujah is also illegal and immoral. There are credible reports of US forces using napalm type bombs in Fallujah. What would you call this act?
Using uranium depleted shells in populated areas is immoral. Is this not equivalent to using chemical weapons on a civilian population?
Destroying the country's infrastructure (water, sewer, and electricity) is illegal under the Geneva Conventions.

What do you call these and many other actions by the US coallition?

We got a different story in Europe. The Bush Administration NEVER tried to tie-in Saddam H. with the Al-Q. but with the suspicions of Iraq hording chemical and biological weapons, which as we all know were never substantiated. The invasion took place as the United Nations was completing its investigation into the matter.
I hate the idea that we're killing each other once again - especially due to lies espoused by a politician. Last week my brother interviewed me on his show and prefaced our discussion with a rerun of a diatribe from a mainstream reporter about this. Though I don't agree with him that Bush should go to Iraq and fight his war (after all, NOBODY should be using weapons of mass destruction there) or that this in some way would justify this war, there were some eye-opening statements made.If anyone is interested in hearing the interview with me s/he should click onto http://www.tribecaradio.net/blog/07.30.07.STR.13.mp3.(Steal This Radio #13). I'd be tickled should anyone want to listen to my slow talking. howie

howieflute wrote:

We got a different story in Europe. The Bush Administration NEVER tried to tie-in Saddam H. with the Al-Q. but with the suspicions of Iraq hording chemical and biological weapons, which as we all know were never substantiated. The invasion took place as the United Nations was completing its investigation into the matter.
I hate the idea that we're killing each other once again - especially due to lies espoused by a politician. Last week my brother interviewed me on his show and prefaced our discussion with a rerun of a diatribe from a mainstream reporter about this. Though I don't agree with him that Bush should go to Iraq and fight his war (after all, NOBODY should be using weapons of mass destruction there) or that this in some way would justify this war, there were some eye-opening statements made.If anyone is interested in hearing the interview with me s/he should click onto http://www.tribecaradio.net/blog/07.30.07.STR.13.mp3.(Steal This Radio #13). I'd be tickled should anyone want to listen to my slow talking. howie

Howie, I hope you don't mind that I edited your post.... I put the period outside of the url. I enjoyed listening to you and your stories..... being a cyclist, I've shaved my legs a number of years, especially when I was biking 5 - 6,000 miles per year, however, I would love to see your unshaved legs in that dress you talked about..... lol